Oriental vs Occidental mindsets – Part II

My earlier post on the Oriental vs Occidental mindsets was posted by me on my Yahoo! Group of my high school batchmates and managed to elicit quite a few good responses. Therefore, I decided to share a few of them on the blog. Here goes…….

nice thoughts man,

but i would like to touch upon a few things here. Not everybody have the mentality of save as much as u can!! but it is surely true among many Indians that they look to save a lot, albeit in any possible way. (the view point seems to be changing these days)

what i however do not agree with u'r prof is his view that the opposite of experience as much as u can is save as much as u can and vice versa. so to say that if one does not have save much attitude does not mean that he has the experience as much attitude and so on... i hope u get the general view point.

quite a bit of the oriental and occidental standpoint of saving v/s spending comes along with the culture, economy and social security. such things can be argued at lengths but i feel the basic point here is that we oriental beings stand on an economy which is dependent on savings contrary to the western economy which is more dependent on spnding. Also from a cultural view point, westerners, in my opinion are more nurtured to taking risks than us. but who is to say what is better??

but one particular message i appreciate in the little talk of u'r prof. what he seems to imply my understanding - is that those people are more likely to get into the culture of the local people and blend among them. Which i unfortunatel do not find among the indians - unless they are forced to. We seem to make our own groups, have our own parties and get togthers and more interested in being among fellow beings than trying to mingle among the foreign culture and becoming one among them 😉

My few cents!!!

Arun

Hi Guys
Here are some of my thoughts on the ongoing discussion:

One point in your prof's disscussion , "even when indians go for short term assignment". Most of the people who come here (US) on some short time assignment, get hardly any time to acclimatize. Within a day or 2 of them landing here, they need to report to work. So they get stuck up in this work of theirs. So in this totally new world, with no one to care about you, they try to find some solace among their kinfolk.

Where as, if a westerner comes to India, he is not on some project or work ,most of the time they are tourists, this gives them the oppurtunity to look around,learn and mingle more with this new culture. The other case, for a person who come here as a student, and stays here much longer having more time to mix around the story is much different (this also depends on how much he is interested in doing so).

Coming to other point about saving money (short term stays): There will be this thought in the mind $1=Rs45, so saving even a few dollars will allow them to be big spenders when they head back home. So as these peole are not planning to stay here, they would obviously want to save some money and spend it on their family and friends in india. And this is not the case with westerners coming into oriental countries.

Also the concept of saving is not possible here (US) as the general lifestyle does not allow you to do so. Most of the money you earn will be going to things like taxes and insurance.Insurance plays a very vital part in US, with out it you can be in complete mess here and it. And the money u spend on it will be huge.Property, car, health,...etc. Even the day to day grocery , clothing , , etc are relatively much costlier here than in india.

So there several reasons which aruna pointed out like social security, cultural differences, ur home country's econmy, education, interests (which has a major influence),envirnoment, etc.. , which differentiate the Oriental from the Occidental mindsets.

That's all i have to say

Pradeep

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2 thoughts on “Oriental vs Occidental mindsets – Part II

  1. As has been identified earlier in the discussion, we can speak at length with regards to the cultural/economical differences between the orient and occident. I am not gonna get there. Regarding the spending pattern, its very perception based and I quite agree with some of the discussions posted earlier. Having been in the US for close to 4 years I have found out some things here.Most of us, indians have always been “wannabes”. So if we are in US we want to be an american. In the process we commit lot many mistakes in presenting ourselves to the people here. This I guess is the main reason why we will not be able to give that impression of ours which will last longer. We are always foreigners finding it very difficult to identify ourselves among the “phirangs” here. Although there are a few people here who are really interested in learning/knowing indian culture. But what most of people here are concerned is, themselves. They do not really care for who you are what you do here. So a lot many of our desi’s lose their confidence and try to keep a low profile when they are in a group of americans. They do not express their views that openly. This attitude of ours is visible back in india too, we try to impress new people. So when a foreigner comes his way to india, all of us try to build rapport. We keep thinking of ways to impress them. They will be given VIP treatments. In such a conducive environ who would not speak up and mingle with others? Adding to it these poeple have more spending power when compared to expatriates from the orient. I am not sure if I made the right analogy. But the bottomline is we lack the confidence to speak up openly, which is a major detterent in social gathering. This is why most of us here find peace in our own “biradari”.Tresspaser

  2. As has been identified earlier in the discussion, we can speak at length with regards to the cultural/economical differences between the orient and occident. I am not gonna get there. Regarding the spending pattern, its very perception based and I quite agree with some of the discussions posted earlier. Having been in the US for close to 4 years I have found out some things here.Most of us, indians have always been “wannabes”. So if we are in US we want to be an american. In the process we commit lot many mistakes in presenting ourselves to the people here. This I guess is the main reason why we will not be able to give that impression of ours which will last longer. We are always foreigners finding it very difficult to identify ourselves among the “phirangs” here. Although there are a few people here who are really interested in learning/knowing indian culture. But what most of people here are concerned is, themselves. They do not really care for who you are what you do here. So a lot many of our desi’s lose their confidence and try to keep a low profile when they are in a group of americans. They do not express their views that openly. This attitude of ours is visible back in india too, we try to impress new people. So when a foreigner comes his way to india, all of us try to build rapport. We keep thinking of ways to impress them. They will be given VIP treatments. In such a conducive environ who would not speak up and mingle with others? Adding to it these poeple have more spending power when compared to expatriates from the orient. I am not sure if I made the right analogy. But the bottomline is we lack the confidence to speak up openly, which is a major detterent in social gathering. This is why most of us here find peace in our own “biradari”.Tresspaser

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